Strategy Points

[DRiccio21]

i hate trendon.

but i love him more then i hate him.

[bigred]

well...I used guess pass alot when the game 1st came out but have refrained from using it as much

The only strategy that Ive used recently is protecting the ball

I have never used jump snap,big hit,strip ball or any of that other crap at all.

I did however "ice" Nasty last season, which was totally an accident, maybe thats why he wouldnt play me this season

[Cnasty]

I did however "ice" Nasty last season, which was totally an accident, maybe thats why he wouldnt play me this season

Took you long enough to figure it out.

Kidding,quit your crying.I didnt want to get owned like Nole anymore.

[trendon]

i hate trendon.

but i love him more then i hate him.

Hey, you will love me a lot when I become big time stock hustler. I am 2-for-2 so far and that portfolio is building!!

[Hoos]

I don’t use it. I don’t like the idea of changing the settings and suddenly getting better results. There is no skill involved.

I did, however, mange to get 8 strat points yesterday in a scrim and I have no idea how I could have gotten them.

[bigred]

I did however "ice" Nasty last season, which was totally an accident, maybe thats why he wouldnt play me this season

Took you long enough to figure it out.

Kidding,quit your crying.I didnt want to get owned like Nole anymore.

lol ,I just miss you
Did you see the vids on ld ?, comical...Bradford had all day

[packsyD22]

I use the get open one because i like my WR's running deep if everything is covered, it is in no way an advantage in the game, just want them runnign deep if I am in a scrambling situation.

I will also use play the pass on 3rd and longs a lot because I am tired of my friggin FS staring at a post in mid air and making no play on the ball. IMO from what I have seen these two things I am using have no advantage to winning or losing the game.

EDIT: Sorry one thing I forgot to mention was why don;t we just ban all of it if your docking it while using it in moderation. No offense AJ as I think your a fantastic league commish but thats rediculous and very contradictory in regards to the NDL rules.

[ajalves]

going to go against my better judgement and unlock this and allow for a LITTLE discussion. Keep in mind if it turns into a 'whine session' I'll be forced to lock it up.

I think my main complaint is why would you use it if it doesnt help anything?

I played plenty of people last year who used it in key situations and didnt dock them.

I suppose in my mind using them is a cop out.

Seems like guys like ot use it inkey situations....to me that screams win at all costs. I obviously wouldnt dock the "follows the Rules" category, but may knock you down somewhere else....I might not....I'd have to see how it is used in the game.

Remember...leeway for this discussion will be minimal.....keep it nice

[Dcane7]

Doc and I had a great conversation about this topic last season and he was the one that opened my eyes after my first game and yes I used them then. I have never used this since and will not and will dock anyone that does if you play me. My reasoning for doing so is we have been in this league for many years now and never once have been given something like this in previous versions. I don't see why we would need to start now, I agree with Corey on this and will not use them and will dock you if you do so. I joined this league to play good coaches in a great community of gamers and have made some good friends from it but I don't want to sit down for an hour to play the computer because you can't out think me. This is a game of chess and it's all about who makes the best moves not who can get the most help from the cpu. But that's just my opinion lol........Hoos to answer your question I did notice that if you run a play and are successful with it and happen to run another that is setup by that previous play and are successful you will get strategy points for it so that might be where your 8 came from.

[ReignOnU]

I think my new solution is going to ask each opponent in my scheduling thread, what their stance is on using the features. Without a rule in place, I think it's the only option.

[shel311]

I used to use a little play the pass on 3rd downs, but have since completely stopped using it.

The only thing i use now that still gives strategy points is the Key WR feature, and I don't see anything wrong because there really is a risk/reward with that.

[Dcane7]

I used to use a little play the pass on 3rd downs, but have since completely stopped using it.

The only thing i use now that still gives strategy points is the Key WR feature, and I don't see anything wrong because there really is a risk/reward with that.

I don't know anything about key the WR lol but there is a risk/reward with any of the features:

Jump snap: get in the backfield quicker or be offsides
go for the pick: intercept the pass or get burnt
big hit: cause a fumble/hurt a player/break up the pass or miss a tackle

just three examples and to be honest I have seen from those that have used it more reward then risk i.e. an advantage

[Hoos]

Hoos to answer your question I did notice that if you run a play and are successful with it and happen to run another that is setup by that previous play and are successful you will get strategy points for it so that might be where your 8 came from.

Yea, UC told me the same thing. If you run a setup play you get strat points.

[VTrunNgun]

[Frankie7512]

Wow it must be real sad cause I am lost here. Aggressive blocking etc? How the fuck do you turn this shit on??? I thought it was an overall aggressive on defense and offense not where u can pick what you want to be aggressive and what you don't wanna be aggressive.Tells you how much I know and maybe why I am getting my ass handed to me all the time.I don't do shit but line up and play the fucking game and when I have been down big before I have tried the aggressive overall defense but most of those times I fucked myself with penalties so why even use it.I can't hardly tell when dudes use this garbage on me to be honest. Maybe there needs to be a "this shit is banned and here is what to look for thread" so I know what the fuck is going on. Honestly I have seen things pop up such as the points shit and I didnt even do shit.I was like what the hell did I just get points for? Guess we can just hope for no gimmicks next game so we don't have to even worry about this shit!

[trendon]

Jump snap: get in the backfield quicker or be offsides

I often brag about how I use them all and like when people use them against me but I stopped using this one*. The lone counter to this - using a cadence - will result in your offensive line repeatedly jumping.

I've said for years now that the game needs the ability to set a snap count during the play-calling screen. It should be an option you can turn on or off. So, HB Option ... then you select "on 2". If you don't snap the ball on two, bad shit will happen; either half of your linemen not moving or jumping. If you snap it on two, you get a tiny blocking bonus or whatever.

* - I go full on AGGRESSIVE when you are inside my ten. Also, since I generally change them every play, I often switch the blocking ones each play. I don't need IMPACT BLOCK on when I am throwing a five yard pass.

[cdub21]

i can barely concentrate during most games with me listening to music and chatting with people online so i dont even bother with the stuff. i used to put on the conservative catch but i dont even think there was a difference.

[jsence2]

The only one I really have a problem with is the aggressive defensive line--there IS no countering it. Sure, you can get them to jump offsides once in a while....but more often than not, I end up getting a false-start penalty more than I prevent the DL from getting a jump. And if you're on the ROAD, you can forget about doing that--you'll get a false start almost every time.

I've had this tactic used against me to spur big comebacks and to stop my running game, and it gets to the point where I can't even get the handoff made before I'm being tackled 4 yds behind the line. If you pair it with a blitz, you better have a WR screen or something like that called where you can throw on a two-step drop. The other tactics are all risk/reward.

The only ones I touch are WR catching (I put it on conservative which just means they focus more on making the catch, rather than trying to get YAC) and, sometimes, pass defense (conservative, because I'd rather they tip it than pick it, because if my slow-ass defenders get beat, it's six points).

I rarely use play the pass anymore, unless (as packsy said) it's third and long, because again I have a slow defense, and I get tired of seeing them get beat for posts, etc and doing nothing to defend it. I haven't touched it at ALL my last two games (neither have my opponents) and they've been two of the most enjoyable games I've had since this stupid thing came out.

One thing I would say to keep in mind--when someone gets points for "jumping the snap", it's not always due to the tactics. I've gotten very good at manually jumping the snap with my DTs and it shows up just the same, but it's due to me having fast reflexes on the right stick, not using a gimmick that makes my whole DL jump.

[shel311]

I used to use a little play the pass on 3rd downs, but have since completely stopped using it.

The only thing i use now that still gives strategy points is the Key WR feature, and I don't see anything wrong because there really is a risk/reward with that.

I don't know anything about key the WR lol but there is a risk/reward with any of the features:

Jump snap: get in the backfield quicker or be offsides
go for the pick: intercept the pass or get burnt
big hit: cause a fumble/hurt a player/break up the pass or miss a tackle

just three examples and to be honest I have seen from those that have used it more reward then risk i.e. an advantage

I see what you're saying, but I guess the difference is all 3 of those things magically make players "better" than there attributes by jumping a snap, picking off passes, and big hits. Player ratings are player ratings and they should stay the same.

Something like Key WR that's just a positioning thing where you tell a guy in zone to key on a WR, a simple coverage. I think it is very different than the other examples.

[Frankie7512]

One thing I would say to keep in mind--when someone gets points for "jumping the snap", it's not always due to the tactics. I've gotten very good at manually jumping the snap with my DTs and it shows up just the same, but it's due to me having fast reflexes on the right stick, not using a gimmick that makes my whole DL jump.

I agree with this,I have seen this happen when I manually do it myself.Only problem is the fucking guy stumbles short of,or beyond the QB at times and no sack,lol.