italian soccer?packsyD22 wrote:I have never really looked into fixing sports I just don't understand how shel always talks sample size but names just two teams that have done it in the last 20 something years.
I think you're really missing the point here. Since the NBA became a big business in the 80's how many non-large market teams have won a championship? San Antonio, Detroit, and.....? It's been LA, Boston, Chicago, and Houston, three of which are among the four largest cities in the country and the four largest TV markets. I'm not sure about Boston's population or market share but their tradition and name alone brings in a ton of viewers. And then you have the Knicks who the league is dying to make competitive again, to the point that from time to time things happen that seem pointed towards helping them, like the Patrick Ewing draft and the aforementioned playoff help. Invariably, when a small market team does make noise and threatens to possibly derail a large market team fishy things happen unless that small market team has a superstar or two who are exceedingly marketable i.e. Stockton and Malone from Utah, Shaq and Penny in Orlando, Payton and Kemp in Seattle, or Barkley when he was in Phoenix. It doesn't take a giant leap of faith to see that the NBA and it's "competitive balance" are driven by who can bring in the most money for the league. For all the talk of how the lack of a salary cap hurts baseball they're really not that far behind the NBA in regards to creating a balanced, fair league where everyone has a chance to win.packsyD22 wrote:I have never really looked into fixing sports I just don't understand how shel always talks sample size but names just two teams that have done it in the last 20 something years.
1. That's 5 in like the last 12 years or so.packsyD22 wrote:So you name those five seasons however since 1980 besides those 5 listed teams every team that has won the title has had probably two to three HOF players on it and was a league wide followed team........if that makes any sense?shel311 wrote:VeniVediV1ci wrote:i think the rigged nature of it deteriorates the level of play, but w/e
The NBA does a really terrible job at rigging the game if the Spurs can win 4 titles and the Pistons 1.
It's been like the last 10 years, probably half the teams.packsyD22 wrote:I have never really looked into fixing sports I just don't understand how shel always talks sample size but names just two teams that have done it in the last 20 something years.
San Francisco Giants - World Series last year...i think that's pretty close to the Detroit teampacksyD22 wrote:Name a team that lacks any serious super star or at least a few star players outside that Detroit team to win it all in any sport?
lets not forget when Detroit won it LA was hobbling into the finals and it felt like Shaw wasnt even trying anymore.
Do people in Cal really think thats why they lost? Im not trying to start anything, Im just interested in the perspective coming from the other end. I know here in MI, and have heard on syndicated radio, that the series is regarded as more of a five game sweep, with LA never really having a shot (which is how I feel but Im obviously biased)packsyD22 wrote: lets not forget when Detroit won it LA was hobbling into the finals and it felt like Shaw wasnt even trying anymore.
SF only has the best pitcher in the major leagues, and one of the best starting rotations last year in all of baseball, and pablo sandoval.. cmonnndealer4014 wrote:San Francisco Giants - World Series last year...i think that's pretty close to the Detroit teampacksyD22 wrote:Name a team that lacks any serious super star or at least a few star players outside that Detroit team to win it all in any sport?
lets not forget when Detroit won it LA was hobbling into the finals and it felt like Shaw wasnt even trying anymore.
New York Giants - Super Bowl...had Strahan but nobody else was really that big name, had Eli but the Super Bowl got him to star status
I would take the 2004 Pistons team (Rasheed Wallace, Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton, Teyshaun Prince and Ben Wallace) and so that they are/were more recognizeable names then all but probably Tim Lincecum on the Giants at that timenick wrote:SF only has the best pitcher in the major leagues, and one of the best starting rotations last year in all of baseball, and pablo sandoval.. cmonnndealer4014 wrote:San Francisco Giants - World Series last year...i think that's pretty close to the Detroit teampacksyD22 wrote:Name a team that lacks any serious super star or at least a few star players outside that Detroit team to win it all in any sport?
lets not forget when Detroit won it LA was hobbling into the finals and it felt like Shaw wasnt even trying anymore.
New York Giants - Super Bowl...had Strahan but nobody else was really that big name, had Eli but the Super Bowl got him to star status
i wouldn't call that a deadlock by any stretchdealer4014 wrote:really if you compare what Lincecum had done prior to the Giants winning the world series and what Ben Wallace had done it's pretty much a dead lock
Ben Wallace - 2003, 2004 All Star...won Defensive MVP in 2002, 2003...first team all defense in 2002, 2003, 2004...led the league in rebounds 2002, 2003...led leagud in blocks 2002...
Tim Lincecum - 2008, 09, 10 all star...won 2 cy-youngs in 2008, 2009...led NL in strikeouts 2008, 09, 10...led NL/AL in strikeouts 2008
i disagree...Lincecum isn't known for his batting, he's one of the best pitchers...Ben Wallace was never known for his offense, but if you'd ask someone who they'd take to be their defensive stopper for their team back in 2002-2006 Ben Wallace would have been the answerDRiccio21 wrote:i wouldn't call that a deadlock by any stretchdealer4014 wrote:really if you compare what Lincecum had done prior to the Giants winning the world series and what Ben Wallace had done it's pretty much a dead lock
Ben Wallace - 2003, 2004 All Star...won Defensive MVP in 2002, 2003...first team all defense in 2002, 2003, 2004...led the league in rebounds 2002, 2003...led leagud in blocks 2002...
Tim Lincecum - 2008, 09, 10 all star...won 2 cy-youngs in 2008, 2009...led NL in strikeouts 2008, 09, 10...led NL/AL in strikeouts 2008
Tim Lincecum is/was one of the best handful of players in the league. Ben Wallace was never that.
Matt Cain is/was also a complete stud who is underrated
baseball is also very different then hoops
I'm just not understanding what this has to do with what we were quoting each other from.packsyD22 wrote:Name a team that lacks any serious super star or at least a few star players outside that Detroit team to win it all in any sport?
You know I thought about that after I posted and said "Pat what point are you trying to make." I think we have two diff arguments, my bad.shel311 wrote:I'm just not understanding what this has to do with what we were quoting each other from.packsyD22 wrote:Name a team that lacks any serious super star or at least a few star players outside that Detroit team to win it all in any sport?
LOL. GOod times.packsyD22 wrote:You know I thought about that after I posted and said "Pat what point are you trying to make." I think we have two diff arguments, my bad.shel311 wrote:I'm just not understanding what this has to do with what we were quoting each other from.packsyD22 wrote:Name a team that lacks any serious super star or at least a few star players outside that Detroit team to win it all in any sport?
