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Wasted Memory wrote:

Cnasty wrote:Only thing memorable from that video...

Landscape mode already!!!!

Nah, you have to watch the security dude. They decide to join in on the fight by kicking the passengers...not breaking the fight up, but kicking

Yea there were more than a few kicks there lol

Also, I lost track of how many people tried to keep the camera operator from recording...

Or maybe they were trying to tell him/her to use landscape like Corey said.

shel311 wrote:

Cnasty wrote:Freaks, people with mental problems, everyday joe...you cannot stop someone with intent to commit something like this. It’s impossible.

But to my original question, why America?

What is it about America that this keeps happening and we've seen a legit uptick in mass school shootings since 2011, but it's mostly rare in all other countries, save maybe China.

So I have been thinking about this one. I'd love to know that statistics in other countries regarding prescribed drugs. It seems like the late 80's early 90's that damn near half a classroom would have been considered ADD/ADHD or other types of disorders. I would bet that we would see an uptick in school (or mass) shootings that would follow the curve of when psychiatrists started prescribing these medications.

Watched a little 10 minute documentary regarding how many of these past shooters were on zoloft (and the like). Makes you wonder if there is any correlation. I think there is, but I don't know the science behind it to definitively say that is what it is.

GeorgesGoons wrote:

shel311 wrote:

Cnasty wrote:Freaks, people with mental problems, everyday joe...you cannot stop someone with intent to commit something like this. It’s impossible.

But to my original question, why America?

What is it about America that this keeps happening and we've seen a legit uptick in mass school shootings since 2011, but it's mostly rare in all other countries, save maybe China.

So I have been thinking about this one. I'd love to know that statistics in other countries regarding prescribed drugs. It seems like the late 80's early 90's that damn near half a classroom would have been considered ADD/ADHD or other types of disorders. I would bet that we would see an uptick in school (or mass) shootings that would follow the curve of when psychiatrists started prescribing these medications.

Watched a little 10 minute documentary regarding how many of these past shooters were on zoloft (and the like). Makes you wonder if there is any correlation. I think there is, but I don't know the science behind it to definitively say that is what it is.

It's hardly a stretch to state that we're an over-medicated society. One reason is if you tell most people - "Oh, I can give you something for that" - they're going to see it as the easy solution and want it. Another reason is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

I'm also not sure I agree with the current state of special education (the field my wife works in for the record). We probably all remember going to school and the kids that needed special attention had their own classes and were able to receive more refined schooling in a smaller group setting with better teacher interaction. From how my wife explains it, we integrate these children into the regular classrooms now (except for in extreme circumstances) and they have an aid with them in the classroom. But - again from what she tells me - many of these kids simply sit in that class, don't know what is going on, and don't do any work/learn anything. There is also a lot of parental blindness to the reality of some of these situations. She will sit in conferences with teachers and parents and the parents want to know why their kid isn't on track to graduate and go to college when the reality is their child will need to live in an adult assisted living facility for most of their life and work at a job for mentally challenged adults because they can't complete basic school coursework and struggle significantly with very simple directions and assignments. But the power is with the parents and the "rights" they have for their kids - so if the school doesn't pour resources into some of these kids who (and I don't say this lightly) are lost causes the parents will retain a lawyer (if they don't already bring one to their school meetings which many do) and sue the school district for "failing their child". And you can compound on this that many act with outrage and disbelief if my wife suggests that there needs to be more done at home with the student - she deals with many parents who see that as only the school's job and that if the school can't help their kid it is the school's fault.

It sucks - my wife has two degrees in psych/special education and she doesn't feel like she wants to stick it out in this career after 10+ years (partly) because the perception and understanding of the general public/parents is so out of whack with reality (and partly because so is the administration that governs her work - a bunch of people that have experience in running a school but no understanding of how special education works). And she sees many kids that just get pushed through the system because the school can't deal with them/their parents properly due to lack of resources and/or inability to get people to see reality.

/Rant over (may have not much to do with the topic but felt tangentially related so...)

Buddy of mine teaches special ed, his sentiments are nearly identical

dakshdar wrote:

GeorgesGoons wrote:

shel311 wrote:

Cnasty wrote:Freaks, people with mental problems, everyday joe...you cannot stop someone with intent to commit something like this. It’s impossible.

But to my original question, why America?

What is it about America that this keeps happening and we've seen a legit uptick in mass school shootings since 2011, but it's mostly rare in all other countries, save maybe China.

So I have been thinking about this one. I'd love to know that statistics in other countries regarding prescribed drugs. It seems like the late 80's early 90's that damn near half a classroom would have been considered ADD/ADHD or other types of disorders. I would bet that we would see an uptick in school (or mass) shootings that would follow the curve of when psychiatrists started prescribing these medications.

Watched a little 10 minute documentary regarding how many of these past shooters were on zoloft (and the like). Makes you wonder if there is any correlation. I think there is, but I don't know the science behind it to definitively say that is what it is.

It's hardly a stretch to state that we're an over-medicated society. One reason is if you tell most people - "Oh, I can give you something for that" - they're going to see it as the easy solution and want it. Another reason is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

I'm also not sure I agree with the current state of special education (the field my wife works in for the record). We probably all remember going to school and the kids that needed special attention had their own classes and were able to receive more refined schooling in a smaller group setting with better teacher interaction. From how my wife explains it, we integrate these children into the regular classrooms now (except for in extreme circumstances) and they have an aid with them in the classroom.

I believe Bama works with these kids as well.

I'm sure the program works well for some kids - but there are certainly cases (and they're the ones I hear about from my wife because they're the challenging/difficult ones that she ends up being very upset about) where trying to apply a general program across the entire group of kids isn't a good idea. It just seems they can't adequately modify the program/support resources - even with IEPs that are intended to do just that. Some of it seems to be having the wrong people involved in IEPs and some of it seems to be parents forcing the IEP in a direction that the trained professionals don't agree with (again - lawyers/lawsuits/etc).

Special snowflakes? Entitlement? You don't say?

My wife is an LSW, the jackassery that she deals with every day is incredible.

I’m a personal crisis asst in a behavior class room. Love my job but like AJ, if I hit the Lottery, peace out. Been punched, kicked, spit on, called every name in book but a white woman. Burn out is high in sped for all of those reasons. I make it through cause I have learned to leave it at the door as best as possible. I do the best I can do while I am there and then I go home. 24 hours in a day, I get kids for 1/3 of that. You wanna know why Johnny and Susie are behind grade level? Cause there is a breakdown between school and home. Tough to worry about times tables when you don’t know if you’ll be moving apts or have no food except at school.

BFiVL wrote:I’m a personal crisis asst in a behavior class room. Love my job but like AJ, if I hit the Lottery, peace out. Been punched, kicked, spit on, called every name in book but a white woman. Burn out is high in sped for all of those reasons. I make it through cause I have learned to leave it at the door as best as possible. I do the best I can do while I am there and then I go home. 24 hours in a day, I get kids for 1/3 of that. You wanna know why Johnny and Susie are behind grade level? Cause there is a breakdown between school and home. Tough to worry about times tables when you don’t know if you’ll be moving apts or have no food except at school.

Very well said. I have a few friends in Sped and the burnout rate is high. Good on you for working with that group of kids, I know I could never do it. It was hard enough just to sub those classes.

this is good.

Same setup at my school. We have aids for kids like that in a normal class and then some, special kids, have special classes, but definitely not like it used to be.

2 hour video, no cliff notes.

Shame shame!

David Goggins is a retired Navy SEAL and former USAF Tactical Air Control Party member who served in Iraq and Afghanistan. He is an ultramarathon runner, ultra-distance cyclist, triathlete and world record holder for the most pull-ups done in 24 hours. http://davidgoggins.com/

4030 pull ups in 24 hours

Police on scene at Jackson Memorial Middle School in Massilon, Ohio after a seventh grade student shot himself on campus. http://bit.ly/2GumWRR

Just before 8 a.m., a student shot himself in the men's restroom at Jackson Memorial Middle School, according to Jackson Township police.
Police say the boy was transported to a nearby hospital. His condition is not known at this time.

Police have not said if the shooting is accidental or intentional, but they are calling it self-inflicted.

How the hell did she make the Olympics with this kind of run?

https://twitter.com/NBCOlympics/status/ ... lympics%2F

GeorgesGoons wrote:How the hell did she make the Olympics with this kind of run?

https://twitter.com/NBCOlympics/status/ ... lympics%2F

The article explains it. I don't get the motivation to want to do that to be honest.

shel311 wrote:

GeorgesGoons wrote:How the hell did she make the Olympics with this kind of run?

https://twitter.com/NBCOlympics/status/ ... lympics%2F

The article explains it. I don't get the motivation to want to do that to be honest.

I read the article. But damn, there should be some competitive bar they have to reach to be in the Olympics. Not just compete in x amount of events to qualify. Same can be said for the Toga guy

Speed skating is always the most entertaining Winter Olympics sport.

They just had a relay race for a medal with 4 countries. 2 of them got penalties and disqualified so a team that didn't even race in the Finals got a bronze medal.