Week 13 College Football

[LetsGoPeay]

Robert Griffin better win the Heisman.

[shel311]

Robert Griffin better win the Heisman.

He should but probably won't.

I'm guessing Richardson still take it.

Honey badger isn't pleased lol .

[BFiVL]

i want rematch now so bama can beat lsu and see the system shel loves fuck him over

Yea, it'd really fuck me over, since I think that Bama is CLEARLY the 2nd most deserving team to play for the championship.

It'd be the complete opposite of what you're claiming, it would be fair, IMO, if Bama got a rematch.

IF Oklahoma State beats Oklahoma, how are they not more deserving?

They would have 4 wins vs. Top 25 teams and Alabama would only have 3 (they missed Georgia and South Carolina this year).

Oklahoma State played only 3 teams with losing records vs. 6 for Alabama.

Oklahoma State played a 9 game conference schedule, Alabama played only 8 plus a D-1AA.


I think Oklahoma State will leapfrog Alabama in polls if they beat Oklahoma.

Let's have some fun Uawww.

Bama has beat 4 top 25 teams, not 3. PSU,Ark,Florida,and AU. 3 of those 4 wins were on the road vs 2 of those potential 4 wins for Okie St at home.

So Okie St with Identical 1-loss Records is gonna hop 3 teams? Not gonna happen. they are behind in the human polls and its very unlikely they jump Va Tech,Standford and Bama in the human polls.

here is what Brad Edwards had to say

BradEdwards_BCS:
If Bama and OKST both win, all computers will have LSU No. 1, OKST No. 2 and Bama No. 3. Obviously, LSU will have all No. 1 poll votes 22 minutes ago

BradEdwards_BCS:
That means OKST must get more than 25% of the 2nd-place poll votes and be 3rd on every other ballot to pass Bama in BCS 21 minutes ago.

BradEdwards_BCS:
Right now, OKST is 6th in both polls. That tells you OKST needs VT and Stanford to lose in order to have any chance. 20 minutes ago.

BradEdwards_BCS:
In other words, if Bama wins tomorrow, OKST fans better become Notre Dame fans tomorrow night. 19 minutes ago.

Well, Va Tech Destoryed the Hoos and Stanford Beat ND, so there goes the human vote.

Bama lone loss was to the #1 team by 3 points in OT, OSU lost to a 27 point dog who is 6-5.

Okie St played a 9 game conference schedule is no tougher than Bama's, considering the number of top 25 teams and who they played OOC.

[BFiVL]

Now look who is sniffing glue.

Ark still had a shot to jump LSU to the SEC title.

[texasfan4444]

They were talking on the BCS Show that VT has the only real shot at jumping Bama if they have dominant game in the ACC champ game. OSUs loss vs Iowa State may be too big to overcome even with a win vs OU. As much as I hate to admit it, every other team fucked up in their losses. the only quality one loss to the #1 team in OT due to kicking issues should still warrant a rematch.

I would watch it, but i wouldnt want to see that snoozefest of a game again.

[shel311]

Now look who is sniffing glue.

Ark still had a shot to jump LSU to the SEC title.

Still had a shot? I thought it was all but done, everyone knew that except for, cause i was sniffing glue

I noticed you conveniently didn't reply to my post I made in that thread either. You and Nick were quick to reply to my every post until the last one.

As for this post, Okie St still has a shot to jump Bama. The article you posted has it at 99.9% official. What's the difference? lol.

[BFiVL]

They were talking on the BCS Show that VT has the only real shot at jumping Bama if they have dominant game in the ACC champ game. OSUs loss vs Iowa State may be too big to overcome even with a win vs OU. As much as I hate to admit it, every other team fucked up in their losses. the only quality one loss to the #1 team in OT due to kicking issues should still warrant a rematch.

I would watch it, but i wouldnt want to see that snoozefest of a game again.

Va Tech does have a shot, but problem there is Clemson has totally shit the bed and have lost their last 2 games. Clemson beat them once and if VT was to beat them now the luster is off of clemson and I dont think the voters would care.

[BFiVL]

Now look who is sniffing glue.

Ark still had a shot to jump LSU to the SEC title.

Still had a shot? I thought it was all but done, everyone knew that except for, cause i was sniffing glue

I noticed you conveniently didn't reply to my post I made in that thread either. You and Nick were quick to reply to my every post until the last one.

As for this post, Okie St still has a shot to jump Bama. The article you posted has it at 99.9% official. What's the difference? lol.

Shit shel, if I read everyone of your posts, I would be arrested for child neglect . It may come as a shock, but I dont read every post on the boards. even yours I said my peace earlier and neither one of us found out who was right, so dont hang your hat on something that didnt happen. Only fact for sure was what I stated earlier, Ark still had a shot at winning the SEC West yesterday with a win over LSU, so you were wrong about that.

[shel311]

t may come as a shock, but I dont read every post on the boards. even yours

But you DID read that one, you told me.

It was just an interesting time to stop the debate.

Only fact for sure was what I stated earlier, Ark still had a shot at winning the SEC West yesterday with a win over LSU, so you were wrong about that.

And like I said, you're doing the same thing now. You're quoting articles that saying it can't happen and won't happen with Bama not getting the #2 spot. But they still have shot at losing that spot, so you're wrong about that lol.

[Uuaww]

Let's have some fun Uawww.

Bama has beat 4 top 25 teams, not 3. PSU,Ark,Florida,and AU. 3 of those 4 wins were on the road vs 2 of those potential 4 wins for Okie St at home.

So Okie St with Identical 1-loss Records is gonna hop 3 teams? Not gonna happen. they are behind in the human polls and its very unlikely they jump Va Tech,Standford and Bama in the human polls.

here is what Brad Edwards had to say

BradEdwards_BCS:
If Bama and OKST both win, all computers will have LSU No. 1, OKST No. 2 and Bama No. 3. Obviously, LSU will have all No. 1 poll votes 22 minutes ago

BradEdwards_BCS:
That means OKST must get more than 25% of the 2nd-place poll votes and be 3rd on every other ballot to pass Bama in BCS 21 minutes ago.

BradEdwards_BCS:
Right now, OKST is 6th in both polls. That tells you OKST needs VT and Stanford to lose in order to have any chance. 20 minutes ago.

BradEdwards_BCS:
In other words, if Bama wins tomorrow, OKST fans better become Notre Dame fans tomorrow night. 19 minutes ago.

Well, Va Tech Destoryed the Hoos and Stanford Beat ND, so there goes the human vote.

Bama lone loss was to the #1 team by 3 points in OT, OSU lost to a 27 point dog who is 6-5.

Okie St played a 9 game conference schedule is no tougher than Bama's, considering the number of top 25 teams and who they played OOC.

I'm counting ranked teams as of today, just because preseason voters are stupid doesn't mean Alabama should get credit for a win over a mediocre Florida team. If you believe otherwise, you're dumb and I am done arguing.

With a sizable advantage in the computers for Oklahoma State, I think if they reach #3, they could very well leap frog Alabama.

They were 6th last week with LSU, Alabama, Arkansas, Stanford and V-Tech ahead of them. Arkansas will drop. We will have to wait and see how close they are to Stanford/V-Tech. A big win over Oklahoma would change pollers minds. And remember that Oklahoma State is only going to get better in the computers after they play Oklahoma.

A convincing win over Oklahoma could change pollers minds to give them a few 2nd place votes and with the computer advantage give Oklahoma State enough of a boost.


Now do I think this will happen? no, I still think it will be LSU-Alabama. I have seen them play and I do think Alabama is the 2nd best team. I was originally arguing shel's comment that they are CLEARLY the 2nd best team. I think it is iffy if Oklahoma State beats Oklahoma, esp. if it's a good one.


But yeah, back to the only thing you said that annoyed me, that Florida win DOES NOT count as a ranked win. By that logic you beat a team that is 2-0 and ranked #1 and they go 2-10, you'd still count that as a marquee win? Florida had an easy beginning of the schedule filled with cupcakes and inflated record in that game. They don't get credit for that. They were exposed.

[BFiVL]

t may come as a shock, but I dont read every post on the boards. even yours

But you DID read that one, you told me.

It was just an interesting time to stop the debate.

Only fact for sure was what I stated earlier, Ark still had a shot at winning the SEC West yesterday with a win over LSU, so you were wrong about that.

And like I said, you're doing the same thing now. You're quoting articles that saying it can't happen and won't happen with Bama not getting the #2 spot. But they still have shot at losing that spot, so you're wrong about that lol.

Shel, I will stand by this then, If Ark would have won on Friday, LSU would have fallen and the game would have mattered. You were hung up on CPU polls and totally neglecting human polls which matter more.

I also gave all kinds of senarios, even ones where Bama fell behind Ark. I didnt think it could happen IMO, but I did post em.

The articles I am posting now are WITHOUT a DOUBT 100% in no way shape or form the same as what are whole discussion up until this point has been. We have been discussing what if with a 3 way tie in conf and all 3 teams beat each other what would happen. Also discussing how the ARK/LSU outcome did matter, and LSU still had to show up and play to get in to the SEC Title game. This is now comparing 2 different teams who have not played each other and who would be more deserving of going to a BCS title shot which is a much more common and easier thing to dissect than what we have been discussing.

[brwnbear]

Bama has beat 4 top 25 teams, not 3. PSU,Ark,Florida,and AU. 3 of those 4 wins were on the road vs 2 of those potential 4 wins for Okie St at home.

So Okie St with Identical 1-loss Records is gonna hop 3 teams? Not gonna happen. they are behind in the human polls and its very unlikely they jump Va Tech,Standford and Bama in the human polls.

What poll are you looking at that has Florida and AU in the top 25? I think voters are going to look at the entire year's body of work and 3 of those top 25 wins are going to dissapear leaving Bama with just 1 (PSU will drop out after losing 4 in a row) win against top 25 opponents vs. OKST (Baylor, Oklahoma, Kansas, and probably Texas, and maybe Missouri).

Like most voters in the NDL, they dont really pay that much attention to rankings until the last vote and there is going to be some serious consideration for moving OK St ahead of Bama.

[shel311]

You were hung up on CPU polls and totally neglecting human polls which matter more.

Come on now. Neglecting human polls? I said about a million times that LSU would drop to #3, behind Arkansas in the human polls. How is that neglecting them? And like I said, and then Brad Edwards agreed almost word for word, the difference between LSU and Arky in the computers would have been more than enough to overcome that. I didn't neglect human polls in any way.

The articles I am posting now are WITHOUT a DOUBT 100% in no way shape or form the same as what are whole discussion up until this point has been.

It is in the sense that this article is now saying Okie St has basically zero chance, like I was saying Arkansas had zero chance if they won a close one.


I'll put it this way: Yea, technically I was wrong in saying Arkansas had no chance, because obviously they did. And now, technically you're wrong for saying Okie St has no chance. There, done lol.

[BFiVL]

Let's have some fun Uawww.

Bama has beat 4 top 25 teams, not 3. PSU,Ark,Florida,and AU. 3 of those 4 wins were on the road vs 2 of those potential 4 wins for Okie St at home.

So Okie St with Identical 1-loss Records is gonna hop 3 teams? Not gonna happen. they are behind in the human polls and its very unlikely they jump Va Tech,Standford and Bama in the human polls.

here is what Brad Edwards had to say

BradEdwards_BCS:
If Bama and OKST both win, all computers will have LSU No. 1, OKST No. 2 and Bama No. 3. Obviously, LSU will have all No. 1 poll votes 22 minutes ago

BradEdwards_BCS:
That means OKST must get more than 25% of the 2nd-place poll votes and be 3rd on every other ballot to pass Bama in BCS 21 minutes ago.

BradEdwards_BCS:
Right now, OKST is 6th in both polls. That tells you OKST needs VT and Stanford to lose in order to have any chance. 20 minutes ago.

BradEdwards_BCS:
In other words, if Bama wins tomorrow, OKST fans better become Notre Dame fans tomorrow night. 19 minutes ago.

Well, Va Tech Destoryed the Hoos and Stanford Beat ND, so there goes the human vote.

Bama lone loss was to the #1 team by 3 points in OT, OSU lost to a 27 point dog who is 6-5.

Okie St played a 9 game conference schedule is no tougher than Bama's, considering the number of top 25 teams and who they played OOC.

I'm counting ranked teams as of today, just because preseason voters are stupid doesn't mean Alabama should get credit for a win over a mediocre Florida team. If you believe otherwise, you're dumb and I am done arguing.

With a sizable advantage in the computers for Oklahoma State, I think if they reach #3, they could very well leap frog Alabama.

They were 6th last week with LSU, Alabama, Arkansas, Stanford and V-Tech ahead of them. Arkansas will drop. We will have to wait and see how close they are to Stanford/V-Tech. A big win over Oklahoma would change pollers minds. And remember that Oklahoma State is only going to get better in the computers after they play Oklahoma.

A convincing win over Oklahoma could change pollers minds to give them a few 2nd place votes and with the computer advantage give Oklahoma State enough of a boost.


Now do I think this will happen? no, I still think it will be LSU-Alabama. I have seen them play and I do think Alabama is the 2nd best team. I was originally arguing shel's comment that they are CLEARLY the 2nd best team. I think it is iffy if Oklahoma State beats Oklahoma, esp. if it's a good one.


But yeah, back to the only thing you said that annoyed me, that Florida win DOES NOT count as a ranked win. By that logic you beat a team that is 2-0 and ranked #1 and they go 2-10, you'd still count that as a marquee win? Florida had an easy beginning of the schedule filled with cupcakes and inflated record in that game. They don't get credit for that. They were exposed.

I dsagree with that, Bama beat florida on the road when they were ranked 12, hurt their #1 and 2 qb in the process, then they fell to pieces. Its easy to say now Florida sucks and all that, but who is not to say that Alabama game is the reason they just fell to shit. its all subjective in the end. When votes happen, they happen right then and there for the polls, so when Bama beat Florida, the pollsters gave them credit for winning a top 15 game on the road.

[shel311]

On another note, it is absolute ridiculous, IMO, that VT and Stanford are ranked ahead of Oklahoma St in the human polls.

OSU basically gets discredited for losing to a poor team, and gets ZERO credit for beating, I'm guessing, more "good" teams than VT and Stanford combined.

[Uuaww]

I dsagree with that, Bama beat florida on the road when they were ranked 12, hurt their #1 and 2 qb in the process, then they fell to pieces. Its easy to say now Florida sucks and all that, but who is not to say that Alabama game is the reason they just fell to shit. its all subjective in the end. When votes happen, they happen right then and there for the polls, so when Bama beat Florida, the pollsters gave them credit for winning a top 15 game on the road.

So you consider 6-6 teams with wins over Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Kentucky, UAB, Florida Atlantic and Furham as a marquee win. Got it.

[BFiVL]

Bama has beat 4 top 25 teams, not 3. PSU,Ark,Florida,and AU. 3 of those 4 wins were on the road vs 2 of those potential 4 wins for Okie St at home.

So Okie St with Identical 1-loss Records is gonna hop 3 teams? Not gonna happen. they are behind in the human polls and its very unlikely they jump Va Tech,Standford and Bama in the human polls.

What poll are you looking at that has Florida and AU in the top 25? I think voters are going to look at the entire year's body of work and 3 of those top 25 wins are going to dissapear leaving Bama with just 1 (PSU will drop out after losing 4 in a row) win against top 25 opponents vs. OKST (Baylor, Oklahoma, Kansas, and probably Texas, and maybe Missouri).

Like most voters in the NDL, they dont really pay that much attention to rankings until the last vote and there is going to be some serious consideration for moving OK St ahead of Bama.

Florida was 12 at the time Bama beat them. AU was 24th in the BCS

[packsyD22]

Lets just end the debate right now because USC would beat all of um right now anyway.

On a serious note if Matt Barkley somehow magically stays next season, man o man the Trojans are going to be unreal good.

[Uuaww]

Lets just end the debate right now because USC would beat all of um right now anyway.

On a serious note if Matt Barkley somehow magically stays next season, man o man the Trojans are going to be unreal good.

they off probation?

[BFiVL]

I dsagree with that, Bama beat florida on the road when they were ranked 12, hurt their #1 and 2 qb in the process, then they fell to pieces. Its easy to say now Florida sucks and all that, but who is not to say that Alabama game is the reason they just fell to shit. its all subjective in the end. When votes happen, they happen right then and there for the polls, so when Bama beat Florida, the pollsters gave them credit for winning a top 15 game on the road.

So you consider 6-6 teams with wins over Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Kentucky, UAB, Florida Atlantic and Furham as a marquee win. Got it.

At the time, when they were 4-0 and ranked 12, yes. I am also willing to bet, at that time the pollsters did as well. if they fall to hell after its all said and done, Bama cant control that.