2058 Season Thread...Qazhby titles 1, Hoffman and Grady 0

[wdoupis]

Has it been brought up that one possible reason it says you get a "free" movie is that we used to pay relocation fees?

These old rules posts in the admin section do, from time to time, have references to things we don't do any more and this could be one of them...

Yes, it. has been brought up and explained countless times.

[Hammerin' Hank]

viewtopic.php?f=109&t=38688&hilit=oh+canada&start=1000

[dakshdar]

Also in that thread right above that post:

Have a question, maybe sticking my nose where it doesn't belong, who knows.

Cincy just moved to San Fran but currently has a Market Size of Big, Fan Loyalty of Very Good, and Fan Interest of 95. Is that right?

Revised:
Relocation:
NDL teams are allowed to relocate every 5 seasons.

Team Interest will be set to 100.
Team Loyalty will be set to 20.
Market Size will be set to Average.

There are no fees for relocating, as long as, besides the name, you make no changes to your stadium.

I see what you're saying but to play devil's advocate here, if a franchise as historically successful as Cincy moved to another city you have to think the fans in that city would instantly be jacked up right?

Hard to say anything close to that when it's written in stone what relocating means

As it happened to all of us when we relocated

[Hammerin' Hank]

Has it been brought up that one possible reason it says you get a "free" movie is that we used to pay relocation fees?

These old rules posts in the admin section do, from time to time, have references to things we don't do any more and this could be one of them...

There are no relocation fees anymore, so one "free move" does not make any sense, because all moves are free.

[dakshdar]

Has it been brought up that one possible reason it says you get a "free" movie is that we used to pay relocation fees?

These old rules posts in the admin section do, from time to time, have references to things we don't do any more and this could be one of them...

There are no relocation fees anymore, so one "free move" does not make any sense, because all moves are free.

Or someone forgot to delete that sentence in the rules thread when revising it - as has been done many times.

[shel311]

viewtopic.php?f=109&t=38688&hilit=oh+canada&start=1000

Finally, this makes sense.


Based on Corey's response, I can certainly see why you'd assume everything would stay the same. But I think the main piece here is you're hung up on saying had you known, you wouldn't have relocated and kept the high market size/interest/loyalty.

I think the point you're missing is by rule everyone is(or should have been) reset per the rules whether they relocate or not, so your relocating didn't screw you over. You should have been reset either way.

[dakshdar]

Is there anyone else in the league coming out with the understanding that people were supposed to keep the market size, fan interest, and fan loyalty when they move a franchise? Is this a 1 v 29 thing?

[Hammerin' Hank]

If you click on the link and go through the thread from April 2017, its clear that it was debuted by the league agreed back then not to reset when i moved to San Francisco.

Now if you guys want to go back and rewrite the rule and make me reset a full year and a half later, its fucked, but whatever.

At this I just want to prove I know what I was told, I was right the whole time and I have every reason to be angry,

[Hammerin' Hank]

viewtopic.php?f=109&t=38688&hilit=oh+canada&start=1000

Finally, this makes sense.


Based on Corey's response, I can certainly see why you'd assume everything would stay the same. But I think the main piece here is you're hung up on saying had you known, you wouldn't have relocated and kept the high market size/interest/loyalty.

I think the point you're missing is by rule everyone is(or should have been) reset per the rules whether they relocate or not, so your relocating didn't screw you over. You should have been reset either way.

You had your chance to make the point 18 months ago, the first time it was debated.

[Hammerin' Hank]

Is there anyone else in the league coming out with the understanding that people were supposed to keep the market size, fan interest, and fan loyalty when they move a franchise? Is this a 1 v 29 thing?

Read the thread.

[dakshdar]

Is there anyone else in the league coming out with the understanding that people were supposed to keep the market size, fan interest, and fan loyalty when they move a franchise? Is this a 1 v 29 thing?

Read the thread.

Someone brings up that "in the real world" maybe a new city getting a great, established team would have higher settings. But, Fan Interest is already 100 when you move - so that makes sense! In no real world way would loyalty make sense at 100 for a team in a new city. And market size has debatable impact as we've discussed previously.

Right after that was brought up, it was mentioned that the rules are "set in stone" and "it happened to everyone when they moved" and the first person said, "I know, just thinking in real world terms".

So, the debate ended with - yes, you get reset and everyone agreed that's how the league worked.

[Hammerin' Hank]

Is there anyone else in the league coming out with the understanding that people were supposed to keep the market size, fan interest, and fan loyalty when they move a franchise? Is this a 1 v 29 thing?

Read the thread.

Someone brings up that "in the real world" maybe a new city getting a great, established team would have higher settings. But, Fan Interest is already 100 when you move - so that makes sense! In no real world way would loyalty make sense at 100 for a team in a new city. And market size has debatable impact as we've discussed previously.

Right after that was brought up, it was mentioned that the rules are "set in stone" and "it happened to everyone when they moved" and the first person said, "I know, just thinking in real world terms".

So, the debate ended with - yes, you get reset and everyone agreed that's how the league worked.

I dont know what you are reading but, no thats not how it was left off.

[shel311]

viewtopic.php?f=109&t=38688&hilit=oh+canada&start=1000

Finally, this makes sense.


Based on Corey's response, I can certainly see why you'd assume everything would stay the same. But I think the main piece here is you're hung up on saying had you known, you wouldn't have relocated and kept the high market size/interest/loyalty.

I think the point you're missing is by rule everyone is(or should have been) reset per the rules whether they relocate or not, so your relocating didn't screw you over. You should have been reset either way.

You had your chance to make the point 18 months ago, the first time it was debated.

When?

I read what you quoted, looks like Corey only responded to the portion about being able to move not waiting 5 years. I don't see anything about where it directly states that every new team does NOT get their market size/loyalty/interest reset. If you have that post, just link it as I'm not reading through a 96 page season thread.


Is your point ONLY what Corey posted in that one post, or is there more from Corey later that you want me to sift through instead of just posting?

[shel311]

The funny thing about this is it definitely appears to be an error where Hank did not get reset. And even if Billy decided to resolve it a few seasons later, Hank has unquestionably come out ahead here by the error occurring as opposed to if he had been reset from the get go like he should have.

I'd take that and run with it since you came out ahead. And back to my main point, relocating vs not relocating did not screw you like you think. Even if you did not relocate, you still should have been reset.

[dakshdar]

Starting here and going for 3-4 posts:
viewtopic.php?f=109&t=38688&hilit=oh+ca ... 80#p718064

Before that Wasted asks if it was reset and Reign posts the rule that it should be reset when relocating.

Then - Peay says maybe in the real world it would be different.
Duster says that it is hard to say it should be different when the rule is written in stone.
Coug says it happened to everyone.
Peay agrees.

[shel311]

I think the crux of Hank's point is he thinks he could have kept the same parameters if he stayed, but was told he would keep them if he relocated, so he did. Then season's later he finds out it will be reset because he relocated, so Hank thinks that's not fair because had he known, he just would not have relocated and kept the original parameters.


And that is just not correct. What is correct is he should have been reset no matter what, and he was not.

He's coming out ahead no question because he would 100% still be at average market price right now 11 or so seasons later, but because of the error, I think he's only being downgraded to above average. So the error has helped him.

For reference, Boston just went to above average 4 seasons ago, and that's after winning 120 games like 10+ years in a row or something, so there's no way Hank would have gotten above average, and he'd still be at average had it all gone the way it should have.

[Hammerin' Hank]

Wow, this is crazy, its so FUCKING CLEAR in the forum. But you guys are steadfast on fucking me, no matter what was said or done in the past. I get it, much better for you guys if my market size is lowered. Its also clear Corey wants nothing to do with help clearing this up, so I won't drag him in this anymore.

So for the sake of ending this, Billy leave my markers size where it is, I wont arguing with you anymore.

[shel311]

It's clear to only you, everyone else sees it the other way.

You're completely delusional if you think we're all lying just to keep you down.

Its also clear Corey wants nothing to do with help clearing this up

You do have a point there!

[Hammerin' Hank]

Yep Billy said it like a dozen times, I am completely "delusional" along with a "complete moron" and "fucking stupid" that has been made crystal clear what the league thinks.

[shel311]

Yep Billy said it like a dozen times, I am completely "delusional"

that has been made crystal clear what the league thinks.

Thinking we're all wrong is one thing.

But If you think we're ALL lying for the sake of keeping you down, then it is crystal clear that you are delusional.