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Post by **shel311** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:09 pm

So why did the A's even allow Murray to play football any way?

Seems like there was everything to lose and nothing really to gain, right?

DRWebs · Post by **DRWebs** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:28 pm

Boras gonna Boras

qazhby · Post by **qazhby** » Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:10 pm

Boras the goat

Post by **Cnasty** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:15 pm

Red Sox set to attend the White House next.

I am hoping they at least get ChickFila!!

Post by **GeorgesGoons** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:10 pm

Cnasty wrote:Red Sox set to attend the White House next.

I am hoping they at least get ChickFila!!

And I hope they all get salmonella

Post by **Cnasty** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:50 pm

wdoupis wrote:Not only that but MLB system is so broken. You are stuck making way below market value for 6 seasons. By the time you are able to go try and get market value you are 29 or 30 and the teams say you are on the decline and won't pay you. Players accepted this before as teams paid but now with analytics showing how bad these deals are they are no longer paying these guys. All this while MLBs profit has quadrupled in the last 20 years.

The players will 100% strike and they absolutely should.

White Sox officially offer Machado 7/175.

If he takes this offer(which he won't) man oh man we are going to see a strike soon.

Post by **shel311** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:53 pm

What's going on with that contract and a strike?

Post by **Cnasty** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:56 pm

The MLB is basically mirroring our OOTP league.

Teams are refusing to pay up for big time FAs, are waiting them out and watching demands plummet.

All while revenues are higher then they have ever been in the MLB and owners are sitting on piles of cash and using the flawed MLB rules of control and talent in their favor.

The players are only getting 45% of the leagues revenue is what I saw which is lowest among all big sports.

If Machado accepted that deal it would be way less then other deals in the league for guys about half his talent.

Post by **GeorgesGoons** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:00 pm

Cnasty wrote:
wdoupis wrote:Not only that but MLB system is so broken. You are stuck making way below market value for 6 seasons. By the time you are able to go try and get market value you are 29 or 30 and the teams say you are on the decline and won't pay you. Players accepted this before as teams paid but now with analytics showing how bad these deals are they are no longer paying these guys. All this while MLBs profit has quadrupled in the last 20 years.

The players will 100% strike and they absolutely should.
White Sox officially offer Machado 7/175.

If he takes this offer(which he won't) man oh man we are going to see a strike soon.

I thought the offer was 8/200+

I hope he signs with the White Sox. We need to get some pitching to go with the young bats though

Post by **Cnasty** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:07 pm

shel311 wrote:What's going on with that contract and a strike?

This dude explained it very nicely

The current system is set up so that teams have six years of Major League control over players who start out in the minors. Those six years tend to be the most productive of their career. During those six years, they will receive the league minimum for 2-3, and will then go to arbitration for 3-4. In some cases, the very best minor league players (Bryant, Acuna, Guerrero) will have their service time manipulated to give teams a seventh year of control.
The idea is that after receiving league minimum for a couple of years, they will head to arbitration and gradually receive increases which should see them almost in line with their "true" free agency value by the last year of arbitration.
After that, the idea is that they will be fairly compensated for all of their productivity (really both past and future) once they hit free agency. But these guys tend to reach free agency between the ages of 28-32. At that point, teams don't really feel comfortable committing big dollars/years to them, for fear of regression, injury, etc. With the information that is now available, these concerns are totally reasonable. There's significant risk involved in investing in these kinds of contracts, even if every team could afford them. Could and should are not the same.
So that leaves players who have had productive careers up to this point, who have waited to finally be compensated accordingly, receiving much smaller deals than they anticipated.
The heart of the issue is the team control over those first six/seven years. The MLBPA will be looking for a way to restructure that to prevent the stagnant FA markets that we've seen over the past two years. The owners will not want to give away that cheap control over their best players. Expect a strike.

Post by **wdoupis** » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:33 pm

If the owners do not accept that the system is so flawed and against the players and restructure how they do the first 6 years of a players career there will 100% be a strike

Post by **ReignOnU** » Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:24 am

Cnasty wrote:The MLB is basically mirroring our OOTP league.

Teams are refusing to pay up for big time FAs, are waiting them out and watching demands plummet.

All while revenues are higher then they have ever been in the MLB and owners are sitting on piles of cash and using the flawed MLB rules of control and talent in their favor.

The players are only getting 45% of the leagues revenue is what I saw which is lowest among all big sports.

If Machado accepted that deal it would be way less then other deals in the league for guys about half his talent.

To be fair, comparing % of revenue retained isn't a good measure. MLB teams have to put on 81 homes games and travel for 81. NFL by contrast has Op Ex for 8-8.

Post by **BFiVL** » Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:12 pm

Looks like a good possibility Mo may be the first 100% HOF.

Post by **shel311** » Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:30 pm

BFiVL wrote:Looks like a good possibility Mo may be the first 100% HOF.

Could not be more perfect for the 1st and only unanimous HOFer in the MLB being a reliever.

Post by **GeorgesGoons** » Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:27 pm

BFiVL wrote:Looks like a good possibility Mo may be the first 100% HOF.

100% deserving IMO. I think there should be more unanimous inductions. I don't understand the, "he's not first ballot HOF material" thought process. If you vote for him on the second year he was worth a vote the first year (unless there are that many people deserving)

DRWebs · Post by **DRWebs** » Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:01 pm

GeorgesGoons wrote:
BFiVL wrote:Looks like a good possibility Mo may be the first 100% HOF.
100% deserving IMO. I think there should be more unanimous inductions. I don't understand the, "he's not first ballot HOF material" thought process. If you vote for him on the second year he was worth a vote the first year (unless there are that many people deserving)

Couldn't agree more with George here, well said

nick · Post by **nick** » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:56 pm

lollll 100% reliever.

Post by **BFiVL** » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:53 pm

Deserve to be 100%. Agree. The first to do it? No way in hell.

Post by **GeorgesGoons** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:37 am

BFiVL wrote:Deserve to be 100%. Agree. The first to do it? No way in hell.

So many other guys should have been 100% before this. But I am fine with Mariano as a unanimous vote, guy was the toughest closer in the game for the longest time

nick · Post by **nick** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:00 am

Rivera and his career 39 WAR got 100%.. woof

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