Presidential Debate

[OracleHCR]

The Mormon church is far from what most of us would consider a charity.

Why's that?

And they average about 14% to charity over a 20 year period.

[shel311]

The Mormon church is far from what most of us would consider a charity.

Why's that?

And they average about 14% to charity over a 20 year period.

And the difference between the last year or 2 and before?

I'd bet my savings the increase was huge.

It's all a facade. All of em, the sooner we learn, the better off we'll be.

[OracleHCR]

The Mormon church is far from what most of us would consider a charity.

Why's that?

And they average about 14% to charity over a 20 year period.

And the difference between the last year or 2 and before?

I'd bet my savings the increase was huge.

It's all a facade. All of em, the sooner we learn, the better off we'll be.

Last year they gave 29%. The rest have all been 13-14%

[shel311]

Last year they gave 29%. The rest have all been 13-14%

There ya go.

And not that any is bad, it's more than I give lol.

But it's not exactly a coincidence that the spike comes the year he plans to run for office.

[BFiVL]

RoMoney.

This is what I'm talking about. They're all fucking rich. They want you to believe he's a demon because he's got money but they all have money and use the same tax loopholes he does. They leave out the fact that he donates millions to charities. Like $10 mil over the past 3 years.

I would love to see the percentage he donated to charity in previous years compared to the last couple when he knew he would run for president.


The bickering over which president is better is something I'll never understand.

Wasn't there a hubbub over the fact he didn't claim all of his charitable duductions on his taxes this past year since that would have lowered his already low tax rate?

Both sides are to blame. Finger pointing at one or te other is useless.

[OracleHCR]

Last year they gave 29%. The rest have all been 13-14%

There ya go.

And not that any is bad, it's more than I give lol.

But it's not exactly a coincidence that the spike comes the year he plans to run for office.

I see what you are saying but giving $2 mil a year every year for 20 years doesn't exactly paint him as a heartless rich guy like they are making him out to be.

[Crowes]

The Mormon church is far from what most of us would consider a charity.

Why's that?

And they average about 14% to charity over a 20 year period.

Given their low priority placed on helping others with no religious strings attached, it's hard to understand how donating money to a church qualifies to anyone as a humanitarian act.

[OracleHCR]

Churches do a lot of good. A lot of good. food banks, shelters, disaster relief to name a few things. They could not do these things if nobody donated to them. You may or may not like religion but to deny these as humanitarian is plain stupid.

[Crowes]

Churches do a lot of good. A lot of good. food banks, shelters, disaster relief to name a few things. They could not do these things if nobody donated to them. You may or may not like religion but to deny these as humanitarian is plain stupid.

But the best estimates available put church spending on basic non-religious charitable activities where non-members are eligible for service in the single digits. This is true for Mormons, Catholics and others.

[Crowes]

Churches do a lot of good. A lot of good. food banks, shelters, disaster relief to name a few things. They could not do these things if nobody donated to them. You may or may not like religion but to deny these as humanitarian is plain stupid.

But the best estimates available put church spending on basic non-religious charitable activities where non-members are eligible for service in the single digits. This is true for Mormons, Catholics and others.

Also to add.. Mormonism is a pay-to-play religion. Without paying the tithe, a believer may not enter a Mormon temple or participate fully in the activities of the faith. This is why Mormon giving is so much higher, per capita.

[OracleHCR]

But the best estimates available put church spending on basic non-religious charitable activities where non-members are eligible for service in the single digits. This is true for Mormons, Catholics and others.

You lost me on this. Ive read it several times and cant comprehend it. I know the church I go to does a lot for the community and it doesn't matter if you go to the church. After hurricanes or other disasters, groups always go to where ever the damage is (Louisiana, Mississippi, South Florida, etc...) and help rebuild and offer aid. A lot of the churches in my area are the same. All of them have food banks and shelters for the homeless.
As for the Mormon religion, I know. They're out there in my opinion. Way out there. But who am I to judge? Freedom of religion. You should read about scientology.

[Crowes]

But the best estimates available put church spending on basic non-religious charitable activities where non-members are eligible for service in the single digits. This is true for Mormons, Catholics and others.

You lost me on this. Ive read it several times and cant comprehend it. I know the church I go to does a lot for the community and it doesn't matter if you go to the church. After hurricanes or other disasters, groups always go to where ever the damage is (Louisiana, Mississippi, South Florida, etc...) and help rebuild and offer aid. A lot of the churches in my area are the same. All of them have food banks and shelters for the homeless.
As for the Mormon religion, I know. They're out there in my opinion. Way out there. But who am I to judge? Freedom of religion. You should read about scientology.

Don't know what is hard to comprehend I am not saying that a church can do no good in your community. The big religious establishments which is what Romneys "charitable" giving goes to is what im talking about.

[beercop]

What does it matter if he is rich or if he gives money to charity? Why is obama's charity or muslim heritage not questioned?

[Crowes]

Why is obama's charity or muslim heritage not questioned?

Tell us about both topics?

[Shiftdnb]

What does it matter if he is rich or if he gives money to charity? Why is obama's charity or muslim heritage not questioned?

Because Obama has actually released his tax returns.

http://www.barackobama.com/tax-returns/

and I believe his muslim heritage is beaten like a dead horse by conservative media.

[OracleHCR]

But the best estimates available put church spending on basic non-religious charitable activities where non-members are eligible for service in the single digits. This is true for Mormons, Catholics and others.

You lost me on this. Ive read it several times and cant comprehend it. I know the church I go to does a lot for the community and it doesn't matter if you go to the church. After hurricanes or other disasters, groups always go to where ever the damage is (Louisiana, Mississippi, South Florida, etc...) and help rebuild and offer aid. A lot of the churches in my area are the same. All of them have food banks and shelters for the homeless.
As for the Mormon religion, I know. They're out there in my opinion. Way out there. But who am I to judge? Freedom of religion. You should read about scientology.

Don't know what is hard to comprehend I am not saying that a church can do no good in your community. The big religious establishments which is what Romneys "charitable" giving goes to is what im talking about.

That sentence does not makes sense. I do not understand what you are trying to say. What does "in the single digits" mean?

[BFiVL]

Oracle. In single digits probably refers to the church overall donations bein in single digits percent to non church relegated activity

[BFiVL]

What does it matter if he is rich or if he gives money to charity? Why is obama's charity or muslim heritage not questioned?

Because Obama has actually released his tax returns.

http://www.barackobama.com/tax-returns/

and I believe his muslim heritage is beaten like a dead horse by conservative media.

Even if he is Muslim, that matters why? I am a church goin fella the last year or so. Never been big on organized religion personally. I believe in what I want. He can believe in what he wants. Doesn't make him any less than I

[OracleHCR]

Even if he is Muslim, that matters why? I am a church goin fella the last year or so. Never been big on organized religion personally. I believe in what I want. He can believe in what he wants. Doesn't make him any less than I

freedom of religion. He can follow whatever faith he wants. If he is Muslim though, he has been lying about it to the American public for quite a while though and that would be an issue.

[OracleHCR]

Oracle. In single digits probably refers to the church overall donations bein in single digits percent to non church relegated activity

Shit. I was dead tired and had to stay up. I can comprehend what he was getting at this morning.