DRiccio21 wrote:correct me if i'm mistaken, but didn't trendon admit and explain to Reign like 4 seasons ago that he was doing this stuff and stop doing it?
Yea, I feel like we're spending way too much time on the wrong aspect of IFAs. The cheating aspect, like you, I thought we dealt with a long time ago.
The bigger issue is how some of these guys can be obtained on minor league deals through free agency, it's not sim or realistic. But again, I don't know what our options are to fix it. If there are non, let's just play through it.
DRiccio21 wrote:correct me if i'm mistaken, but didn't trendon admit and explain to Reign like 4 seasons ago that he was doing this stuff and stop doing it?
Yea, I feel like we're spending way too much time on the wrong aspect of IFAs. The cheating aspect, like you, I thought we dealt with a long time ago.
The bigger issue is how some of these guys can be obtained on minor league deals through free agency, it's not sim or realistic. But again, I don't know what our options are to fix it. If there are non, let's just play through it.
Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't the top IFA's usually playing in the bigs when they come over in real life? The problem with the Sim is that these guys aren't ready for the bigs when they are found. If they are 80 potential they should be found in the 40 ratings if they are that good. Am I off base?
BigRy wrote:All of this is shady. And whomever has been doing the IFA search, whether it was the shady path or legit route, it should have been made public knowledge. Just the fact that guys have covered it up all this time is suspicious.
No offense, but going to free agents, setting a filter for "not American" and "under 25" isn't hard, not was it rocket science. I did it just on a hunch, and that's how I found the 3 or whatever guys I have on that list. Were they good? Nope. Is it shady? No. They're free agents, in free agency, and all I did was save myself sorting through 19 pages of bs. I know you're not accusing me, but the people that had filters to save time aren't at fault here, nor do we need to make everything public and easy (like Dave has intimated in the past).
this. i have 3 guys on the list, its pretty simple.
free agents>customize> the normal boxes are checked, just add 'nationality'> ...done
to say that is shady or the same as what trendon and others were doing isnt accurate
BigRy wrote:All of this is shady. And whomever has been doing the IFA search, whether it was the shady path or legit route, it should have been made public knowledge. Just the fact that guys have covered it up all this time is suspicious.
No offense, but going to free agents, setting a filter for "not American" and "under 25" isn't hard, not was it rocket science. I did it just on a hunch, and that's how I found the 3 or whatever guys I have on that list. Were they good? Nope. Is it shady? No. They're free agents, in free agency, and all I did was save myself sorting through 19 pages of bs. I know you're not accusing me, but the people that had filters to save time aren't at fault here, nor do we need to make everything public and easy (like Dave has intimated in the past).
this. i have 3 guys on the list, its pretty simple.
free agents>customize> the normal boxes are checked, just add 'nationality'> ...done
to say that is shady or the same as what trendon and others were doing isnt accurate
what you did to obtain ifa is not shady, I did it the same way for a few useless ifa's as well. I over spoke in my rant, it just gets old. Why can't people play this game the correct way and compete within the rules and spirit of the NDL? I know it's limited to possibly just Trendon or one or two more guys. Anyways, have a good day to all! Im anxious for the sim.
Maybe I am being completely naive here but why is this illegal or frowned up if that is exactly how he was cheating? If he took the time and effort to do so that's actually pretty genius. Are we supposed to tell every single person in the league our strategies and tricks to success? I always make fun of Dave when he gets upset when we are discussing strategy but this is a perfect example of someone doing research and taking time to do something everyone else doesn't have the time to do.
If this is the true reason reign made his post and we consider it cheating then I don't agree with it. There has to be more I am totally missing.
People were searching through names for guys not on teams and not on the FA list and offering them a contract.
These players were not on the free agent list and were not discovered by a scout yet.
Why do they have to be "discovered" or free agents?
Is that a rule somewhere?
Or are we saying it's because no one else knew how or tried to do it?
Again, not defending anyone as I understand most of this but it's something anyone could have done at any time if they took the time and effort to do so unless we have always had a specific rule saying don't do it. Which came later and he stopped once told.
Reign can correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he say he spoke with the developers and this seems to be a flaw in the game that wasn't intended?
If so, if we're resorting to who can find the most miniscule flaws and glitches in the game and exploit them, this league loses a lot of its fun factor. It's one thing if you research guys' ratings and find some trends or whatever. But finding glitches in the game to exploit seems like a different situation...IMO.
I agree with you there completely and why I prefaced with I'm probably missing something.
But if trendon was on one of his benders and decided to sit at the computer with ootp and manually look for every single player in the world and offer them contracts by avenues that the game offers anyone to search, more power to him and impressive.
Not having the time or everyone not knowing about it is not a valid claim for cheating as that's our own loss and lack of resources.
Cnasty wrote:
But if trendon was on one of his benders and decided to sit at the computer with ootp and manually look for every single player in the world and offer them contracts by avenues that the game offers anyone to search, more power to him and impressive.
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I disagree with this. he was finding guys that werent "supposed" to be able to viewed by the "public"
no idea why they are even in the program if we arent supposed to see them....perhaps they are there because they will be viewable down the road? or whatever reason. He was circumventing and grabbing them before some teams scout discovered them or whatever.
But every single person could have done it in this league as it was an available option by the game. And I'd need a definition of "supposed to" as you stated.
If it's exploiting something then Yea I agree but if I had 9 hours, I could have legally done it as well as a strategy
Cnasty wrote:But every single person could have done it in this league as it was an available option by the game. And I'd need a definition of "supposed to" as you stated.
If it's exploiting something then Yea I agree but if I had 9 hours, I could have legally done it as well as a strategy
i would say (and there is nothing scientific, just my opinion) this would fall under a glitch in the game.
sort of like knowing a certain route works each time and running it every big play.
There wasnt a code persay as you, me, ry,dave, whoever could have been killing time, came across players out there that we wanted and signed them to minor league deals taking a flyer on them.
Cnasty wrote:But every single person could have done it in this league as it was an available option by the game. And I'd need a definition of "supposed to" as you stated.
If it's exploiting something then Yea I agree but if I had 9 hours, I could have legally done it as well as a strategy
Dave made a solid NCAA analogy. Plenty of that stuff was in the game and available for everyone to do, but we had rules against doing them as they were flaws/glitches in the game.
Cnasty wrote:There wasnt a code persay as you, me, ry,dave, whoever could have been killing time, came across players out there that we wanted and signed them to minor league deals taking a flyer on them.
It is a flaw in the game. These players should not be listed there because they should not be viewable yet in the game.
From my understanding, some of them are IFA's that other team's scouts will eventually find, some of them are future players that show up in Free agency.
And I am not saying that is necessarily illegal, cause to Corey's point, he was using links that are available in the game, but he was going through somewhat of a back door to find players that were not rightfully his to make offers to.
Some of those could have been an IFA that say Boston's scout was going to find and you would receive an email in a couple sims about the player, but now your scout doesn't find him because he is already on a different team because that team offered him a contract when they should not have even seen him yet.
